MiFly, I agree with your analysis. The problems is that Gates did not spell out as clearly as you did the connection between better health and higher living standards = less children, which is exactly what has happened in the developed world. Oversimplification of that TED talk has led to the fear mongering notion of population control t…
MiFly, I agree with your analysis. The problems is that Gates did not spell out as clearly as you did the connection between better health and higher living standards = less children, which is exactly what has happened in the developed world. Oversimplification of that TED talk has led to the fear mongering notion of population control through iatrogenic murder. Us critical thinkers, aka conspiracy theorists, can sometimes be just as guilty of knee-jerk reactions as the opposition.
yes I agree. gates is not a doctor and has no experience in public health. He has appointed himself some kind of guru and really he knows very little and he's a bad communicator
between 1932 and 1940 some 52.000 men women and children were killed in hospitals by doctors. by means of lethal injection.
eugenics is the keyword in this..
the same eugenics that were quite popular in the usa among people like rockefeller jr. and gates sr..
indeed, bill gates senior.
the man behind the family planning movement.
family planning as in no more children for the great unwashed masses.
like in no more children for the women of kenya in 2014, that were sterilised without their knowledge by a tetanus vaccine distributed by the WHO and paid for by..... bill gates jr.
I take by the first part of your comment you are referring to “Aktion T4”, named after Tiergartenstrasse 4, the address in Berlin where the office was based in Nazi times that came up with the policy to kill “lebensunwertes Leben” (life unworthy of living), as they called disabled people. I’m a historian of disability and am unfortunately only to aware of this dark part of 20th century history. The infamous cyclon B gas used in the extermination camps was first trialled and used against the disabled in trucks labelled as “ambulances”. This is an important and often forgotten part of the history of atrocities.
It also highlights policies of euthanasia. The Kenya example you cite is an example of eugenics. One could here also name Sweden, who from the 1930s onwards sterilised “disabled” women against their will. Or coerced sterilisations in India under Indira Ghandi, if I remember rightly.
The point is that we need to be aware of the distinction between euthanasia (murder of people already alive) and eugenics (preventing the generation of people not yet born). One may brand Gates and his ilk as eugenicists, but please do not confuse with euthanasia.
as you surely know, the chairman of the association of physicians in 1933 was one of the first to congratulate mr. hitler.
he went on to assure mr hitler that he would do everything in his power to make sure the members of his organisation would accommodate the ending of lebensunwertes leben in the hospitals.
the same chairman was awarded the bundesverdienstkreuz in 1963....
as for euthanasia and eugenics, where does it say that it has to be either one but not both?
preventing a future generation is eugenics, and is best done by killing the contemporary generation ....
Yes, the medical profession unfortunately was a group that showed very strong support for the Nazis, with many physicians being party members. As a historian I believe in accuracy of terminology however, and though I can see your point that the outcomes of euthanasia and eugenics may merge, I do believe in recognition of the semantic distinction.
MiFly, I agree with your analysis. The problems is that Gates did not spell out as clearly as you did the connection between better health and higher living standards = less children, which is exactly what has happened in the developed world. Oversimplification of that TED talk has led to the fear mongering notion of population control through iatrogenic murder. Us critical thinkers, aka conspiracy theorists, can sometimes be just as guilty of knee-jerk reactions as the opposition.
yes I agree. gates is not a doctor and has no experience in public health. He has appointed himself some kind of guru and really he knows very little and he's a bad communicator
history proves you wrong.
between 1932 and 1940 some 52.000 men women and children were killed in hospitals by doctors. by means of lethal injection.
eugenics is the keyword in this..
the same eugenics that were quite popular in the usa among people like rockefeller jr. and gates sr..
indeed, bill gates senior.
the man behind the family planning movement.
family planning as in no more children for the great unwashed masses.
like in no more children for the women of kenya in 2014, that were sterilised without their knowledge by a tetanus vaccine distributed by the WHO and paid for by..... bill gates jr.
but that is just fear mongering, or isn't it?
I take by the first part of your comment you are referring to “Aktion T4”, named after Tiergartenstrasse 4, the address in Berlin where the office was based in Nazi times that came up with the policy to kill “lebensunwertes Leben” (life unworthy of living), as they called disabled people. I’m a historian of disability and am unfortunately only to aware of this dark part of 20th century history. The infamous cyclon B gas used in the extermination camps was first trialled and used against the disabled in trucks labelled as “ambulances”. This is an important and often forgotten part of the history of atrocities.
It also highlights policies of euthanasia. The Kenya example you cite is an example of eugenics. One could here also name Sweden, who from the 1930s onwards sterilised “disabled” women against their will. Or coerced sterilisations in India under Indira Ghandi, if I remember rightly.
The point is that we need to be aware of the distinction between euthanasia (murder of people already alive) and eugenics (preventing the generation of people not yet born). One may brand Gates and his ilk as eugenicists, but please do not confuse with euthanasia.
as you surely know, the chairman of the association of physicians in 1933 was one of the first to congratulate mr. hitler.
he went on to assure mr hitler that he would do everything in his power to make sure the members of his organisation would accommodate the ending of lebensunwertes leben in the hospitals.
the same chairman was awarded the bundesverdienstkreuz in 1963....
as for euthanasia and eugenics, where does it say that it has to be either one but not both?
preventing a future generation is eugenics, and is best done by killing the contemporary generation ....
Yes, the medical profession unfortunately was a group that showed very strong support for the Nazis, with many physicians being party members. As a historian I believe in accuracy of terminology however, and though I can see your point that the outcomes of euthanasia and eugenics may merge, I do believe in recognition of the semantic distinction.