I am still mourning the loss of most of my friends who turned out to be hateful authoritarians. Also, I now have to question everything I have ever learned. While this is generally a good thing, it is exhausting. When I read how much other people have lost I realize that I have been relatively lucky and, with the help of a like minded husband, will just keep moving forward.
I am still mourning the loss of most of my friends who turned out to be hateful authoritarians. Also, I now have to question everything I have ever learned. While this is generally a good thing, it is exhausting. When I read how much other people have lost I realize that I have been relatively lucky and, with the help of a like minded husband, will just keep moving forward.
Be very glad your husband stands with you on this. My wife took my son to receive the poison shot against my wishes and behind my back. I have never been angrier in my life, and I am no stranger to anger.
I tried in vain to stop my sonInLaw from vaccinating my grandbabies. Still donтАЩt know if the 3 year old was vaxxed. My 5 and 8 yr olds were fully vaxxed. I fear their it father will have to live with any damage that comesтАж
I'm very sorry. The monsters who played on people's fear and the concomitant desire to conform, by appearing to do the right thing need to be severely punished. This has been the most evil event of all our lifetimes by far.
IтАЩm sorry to hear this. I know other couples where this has happened and honestly I donтАЩt how I would move past it. I hope your son is well and continues to be well.
Thank you very much. I detoxed immediately and adamantly refused to let him get a second jab. I pray every day that he will not be adversely affected by it later. So far, so good.
Yes...and he does not even see HOW I can be so shattered. He does not see this as the massive betrayal that it is, saying HIS doctor friends and all "the experts" said it was safe so I'm wrong, and I'm not a "science person", and therefore he did not have to listen to me. I can't get him to grasp that he HAD to listen bc I have been with him for 30 yrs, I am the wonderful mother of his two teenage boys, and that MY BELIEFS, concerns and values MATTER. He clearly wanted out before all this but never said anything or did anything about it. He has almost no ability to talk about how he really feels. And NO ONE we know agrees with me. NO ONE. They ALL drank the Kool Aide. Everyone in our town, our church, our circles, our families. EVERYONE. I have since found some people who agree with me, but he knows none of them. And all my friends side with him. He will not entertain the thought that I could be right. And he says bc I made his life so miserable trying to warn him and get him not to comply, I am disrespectful and so he left. He is SOO afraid of being judged "difficult" by his employer that he would NEVER consider pushing back on a mandate from them to keep his job. NEVER. I could have told you that 10 years ago. He knows he and our sons do not NEED this thing, he just does not want to be fired, cancelled, or have our kids miss out on any opportunities. TO THIS DAY he does not know what is going on and it has caused a MASSIVE rift in our family. He says I wrecked the family, but really, he did. I have cried every single day for almost three years. It's getting utterly ridiculous.....
It is safe to say right now that he absolutely values his job more than me. More than the mother of his children. More than his 24 yr marriage to me. More than the person who was with him when his younger brother died years ago, and then his father. Because he is so fearful of losing his job, I think he took it as a personal attack that I was trying to warn him something very bad is happening and that we had to do something. We had to protect our kids. If I was right, he would HAVE to do something and I think he is not courageous enough to do it. It is so completely messed up....it wrecks me daily.
Honestly, I know completely that you are not alone. My hubbs is not medical. He confidently relies on me. He trusts me. I am a former nurse and I still read and rely on the knowledge I attained in 4 years of training and real science
Now, you want to take about the war in Ukraine? we have our differences.
I know you feel betrayed. I am praying for you. Just pray, Kerry. Just be at peace for now. Do not let the actions and differences consume you.
I could write a long boring book about my trials and troubles with extended family over the years. I have been called many ugly names.
That is not even on the topic of this plandemic, it is moreso over care of my 99 year old father and things he asks me to do.
Keep praying and stay in that prayerful zone of peace. We need that.
Yes...thank you so much! It is helpful to know I am not alone....and I do have a some IRL support. It is just not really coming from where I thought it would. People have baggage.....I think he is not a deeply faithful person, as I am, so he does not see the spiritual war we are in, he does not understand my inner knowing/intuition or value it, and he does not see how our faith can and SHOULD help us with our marriage, He has just given up out of fear of losing our "old life" and not knowing what to do. I am a strong and faithful person but that doesn't make it easy. I appreciate your insight. Thanks.
He is embarrassed, that is why he left. He may never be able to apologize. You have to find a way to forgive him and hold on to your own beliefs and values. Your marriage is a microcosm of the world right now.
Isn't it mind bending that he says that I had no empathy for HIM, all bc I kept try trying to warn him, had such a problem with them masking our kids, I did not comply and encouraged them not to, I was begging him not to jab our oldest kid, and after he did that, violating all my values, belief systems and concerns and when I was so heartbroken and anxious, he said I was just so outrageous to be so upset about it all that because I was believing conspiracies, so he had to leave. It was HE that would not listen to how I felt and ignored what I deeply believe. If he HAD listened, I would have been able to live in peace knowing my kid would not be jabbed. Knowing that he cared about how it all made me FEEL. He just could not push back and, more to the point, IF he acknowledged that I was right, he would HAVE to push back and he did not want to have to do that.
Forgiveness IS the only way. Anger has been eating me up....I am beginning to move on. But I feel really sad. And I do not know if he really can see that he did anything wrong...the denial seems to be really, really strong for his own self preservation.
Robert Sapolsky has a youtube lecture called Hate and the Brain and Jordan Peterson has an interview with Randy Thornhill on the pathogen stress theory. I mention this as you said "disgusting," as these guys both say we drop into the insula cortex in our brains and into authoritarianism and ancient, ancient mechanisms for avoiding disease, which involves disgust. Every tyrant in the history of the earth has harnessed this to usher in totalitarianism. Either the Tutus or the Hutsis were like "cockroaches," the Jews were disease-carrying "vermin". In March 2020 UC Berkeley texted people to watch themselves for xenophobia as that's another aspect of pathogen stress. They had to rescind it immediately as the students went ballistic. When the threat really dissipates, and the fear is still being pumped on every level through every media ecosystem, they may feel differently. So sorry that happened and is happening to you.
yes..judith..lost my best girlfriend..she HATES me for not getting the jab..and for my disgust of facui,gates and numerous others with blood on there hands.
ALL of these fights were never about the true concern of someone's health but rather - solely and entirely about CONTROL! It's a very sick world we live in. Control goes hand and hand with addiction and addiction is NOW RAMPANT! Show me one person that is not attached to and playing with these phones constantly! Personification of addiction! More lethal than cigarettes ever were.
I totally agree...I have been warning everyone about these phones/screens/computers and their propensity to take over our lives, our emotions, our humanity, for OVER 20 years. No one cares.
I too am now questiong everything especially medically. My doctor's office still requires masks (why??) so I refuse to go there until they stop. She pushed the vaccine on me. I now question everything she does - and she's been my doctor for almost 20 years. I'm moving this summer and I'm hoping to find a homeopathic doctor in my new state.
You are so lucky to have a like-minded husband. Sure would have been comforting. My husband and I are still married, but things are not the same as in the Before Times. Not sure they ever will be.
My son to whome since 2017 was diagnosed the Addisson desease, by the 1st Vaccinacion phase was just 18 and decided in one day to go for a jab. He had two jabs, and all four of us in out family got Teo also. This was despite a huge effort of mine to explain why ee shouldnt do jabs and we stopped there. And luckily so far so good.
For 50 years I beat myself up for not having an "education" then Covid came along and I was shocked how quickly I became the smartest person in a room - I have always been self taught - READ BOTH SIDES of everything and then decide for myself based entirely on irrefutable and indisputable evidence! I spend my entire life reading albeit a retirement job and walking my dog. I've come to the conclusion it all barrels down to laziness - NO ONE reads anymore! I also beleive narcissism and greed have destroyed society!
and it is impossible to have a rational calm discussion.
BC "before covid" I could share my views and explain the scientific process that led me there. My sister in law called me a stupid f-ing b- two years ago.
I was shocked but not terribly because she in particular is quite very stupid. So there is that
My husband just reminded me of the Serenity Prayer (I have been sick this past week and I am the worst sick person: very dramatic and plenty of self pity and moaning)
Today I am feeling somewhat better but not fully enough to go to my dad and entertain him.
Bonhoefer was quite an inspiration. My parents lived in Holland during WW2
I am still mourning the loss of most of my friends who turned out to be hateful authoritarians. Also, I now have to question everything I have ever learned. While this is generally a good thing, it is exhausting. When I read how much other people have lost I realize that I have been relatively lucky and, with the help of a like minded husband, will just keep moving forward.
Be very glad your husband stands with you on this. My wife took my son to receive the poison shot against my wishes and behind my back. I have never been angrier in my life, and I am no stranger to anger.
I tried in vain to stop my sonInLaw from vaccinating my grandbabies. Still donтАЩt know if the 3 year old was vaxxed. My 5 and 8 yr olds were fully vaxxed. I fear their it father will have to live with any damage that comesтАж
I'm very sorry. The monsters who played on people's fear and the concomitant desire to conform, by appearing to do the right thing need to be severely punished. This has been the most evil event of all our lifetimes by far.
IтАЩm sorry to hear this. I know other couples where this has happened and honestly I donтАЩt how I would move past it. I hope your son is well and continues to be well.
Thank you very much. I detoxed immediately and adamantly refused to let him get a second jab. I pray every day that he will not be adversely affected by it later. So far, so good.
Same thing happened to me.....and my son. Husband left ME bc I am so outrageous.
I'm very sorry.
This is heartbreaking Kerry.
I would be shattered without my hubbs
I am so sad for you.
Yes...and he does not even see HOW I can be so shattered. He does not see this as the massive betrayal that it is, saying HIS doctor friends and all "the experts" said it was safe so I'm wrong, and I'm not a "science person", and therefore he did not have to listen to me. I can't get him to grasp that he HAD to listen bc I have been with him for 30 yrs, I am the wonderful mother of his two teenage boys, and that MY BELIEFS, concerns and values MATTER. He clearly wanted out before all this but never said anything or did anything about it. He has almost no ability to talk about how he really feels. And NO ONE we know agrees with me. NO ONE. They ALL drank the Kool Aide. Everyone in our town, our church, our circles, our families. EVERYONE. I have since found some people who agree with me, but he knows none of them. And all my friends side with him. He will not entertain the thought that I could be right. And he says bc I made his life so miserable trying to warn him and get him not to comply, I am disrespectful and so he left. He is SOO afraid of being judged "difficult" by his employer that he would NEVER consider pushing back on a mandate from them to keep his job. NEVER. I could have told you that 10 years ago. He knows he and our sons do not NEED this thing, he just does not want to be fired, cancelled, or have our kids miss out on any opportunities. TO THIS DAY he does not know what is going on and it has caused a MASSIVE rift in our family. He says I wrecked the family, but really, he did. I have cried every single day for almost three years. It's getting utterly ridiculous.....
We here agree with you, see what you see, know what you know, feel what you feel.
It is safe to say right now that he absolutely values his job more than me. More than the mother of his children. More than his 24 yr marriage to me. More than the person who was with him when his younger brother died years ago, and then his father. Because he is so fearful of losing his job, I think he took it as a personal attack that I was trying to warn him something very bad is happening and that we had to do something. We had to protect our kids. If I was right, he would HAVE to do something and I think he is not courageous enough to do it. It is so completely messed up....it wrecks me daily.
I am shocked and heart broken for you.
Honestly, I know completely that you are not alone. My hubbs is not medical. He confidently relies on me. He trusts me. I am a former nurse and I still read and rely on the knowledge I attained in 4 years of training and real science
Now, you want to take about the war in Ukraine? we have our differences.
I know you feel betrayed. I am praying for you. Just pray, Kerry. Just be at peace for now. Do not let the actions and differences consume you.
I could write a long boring book about my trials and troubles with extended family over the years. I have been called many ugly names.
That is not even on the topic of this plandemic, it is moreso over care of my 99 year old father and things he asks me to do.
Keep praying and stay in that prayerful zone of peace. We need that.
Yes...thank you so much! It is helpful to know I am not alone....and I do have a some IRL support. It is just not really coming from where I thought it would. People have baggage.....I think he is not a deeply faithful person, as I am, so he does not see the spiritual war we are in, he does not understand my inner knowing/intuition or value it, and he does not see how our faith can and SHOULD help us with our marriage, He has just given up out of fear of losing our "old life" and not knowing what to do. I am a strong and faithful person but that doesn't make it easy. I appreciate your insight. Thanks.
He is embarrassed, that is why he left. He may never be able to apologize. You have to find a way to forgive him and hold on to your own beliefs and values. Your marriage is a microcosm of the world right now.
Isn't it mind bending that he says that I had no empathy for HIM, all bc I kept try trying to warn him, had such a problem with them masking our kids, I did not comply and encouraged them not to, I was begging him not to jab our oldest kid, and after he did that, violating all my values, belief systems and concerns and when I was so heartbroken and anxious, he said I was just so outrageous to be so upset about it all that because I was believing conspiracies, so he had to leave. It was HE that would not listen to how I felt and ignored what I deeply believe. If he HAD listened, I would have been able to live in peace knowing my kid would not be jabbed. Knowing that he cared about how it all made me FEEL. He just could not push back and, more to the point, IF he acknowledged that I was right, he would HAVE to push back and he did not want to have to do that.
Forgiveness IS the only way. Anger has been eating me up....I am beginning to move on. But I feel really sad. And I do not know if he really can see that he did anything wrong...the denial seems to be really, really strong for his own self preservation.
yes. Judith, you are not alone.
I used to be the one person friends and other people could trust for medical knowledge and advice.
Now, I have been called "disgusting" because of my concerns and views.
Robert Sapolsky has a youtube lecture called Hate and the Brain and Jordan Peterson has an interview with Randy Thornhill on the pathogen stress theory. I mention this as you said "disgusting," as these guys both say we drop into the insula cortex in our brains and into authoritarianism and ancient, ancient mechanisms for avoiding disease, which involves disgust. Every tyrant in the history of the earth has harnessed this to usher in totalitarianism. Either the Tutus or the Hutsis were like "cockroaches," the Jews were disease-carrying "vermin". In March 2020 UC Berkeley texted people to watch themselves for xenophobia as that's another aspect of pathogen stress. They had to rescind it immediately as the students went ballistic. When the threat really dissipates, and the fear is still being pumped on every level through every media ecosystem, they may feel differently. So sorry that happened and is happening to you.
The Nazis also were a "disgust culture". That's the company they keep! And as a student of history, why I recognized this nonsense for what it was.
thank you for sharing this Cynthia.
I think you are correct. I will look for these videos.
Life has been turned upside down on so many levels
yes..judith..lost my best girlfriend..she HATES me for not getting the jab..and for my disgust of facui,gates and numerous others with blood on there hands.
ALL of these fights were never about the true concern of someone's health but rather - solely and entirely about CONTROL! It's a very sick world we live in. Control goes hand and hand with addiction and addiction is NOW RAMPANT! Show me one person that is not attached to and playing with these phones constantly! Personification of addiction! More lethal than cigarettes ever were.
I totally agree...I have been warning everyone about these phones/screens/computers and their propensity to take over our lives, our emotions, our humanity, for OVER 20 years. No one cares.
I too am now questiong everything especially medically. My doctor's office still requires masks (why??) so I refuse to go there until they stop. She pushed the vaccine on me. I now question everything she does - and she's been my doctor for almost 20 years. I'm moving this summer and I'm hoping to find a homeopathic doctor in my new state.
I went through the same thing Judith. My heart is broken and my mind is blown, but we will survive. Stay strong and know that you're not alone.
You are so lucky to have a like-minded husband. Sure would have been comforting. My husband and I are still married, but things are not the same as in the Before Times. Not sure they ever will be.
My son to whome since 2017 was diagnosed the Addisson desease, by the 1st Vaccinacion phase was just 18 and decided in one day to go for a jab. He had two jabs, and all four of us in out family got Teo also. This was despite a huge effort of mine to explain why ee shouldnt do jabs and we stopped there. And luckily so far so good.
For 50 years I beat myself up for not having an "education" then Covid came along and I was shocked how quickly I became the smartest person in a room - I have always been self taught - READ BOTH SIDES of everything and then decide for myself based entirely on irrefutable and indisputable evidence! I spend my entire life reading albeit a retirement job and walking my dog. I've come to the conclusion it all barrels down to laziness - NO ONE reads anymore! I also beleive narcissism and greed have destroyed society!
{ "The world is fueled by lies, driven by envy," and "deception is the default condition in human relations." }
I agree however I beleive the lies are fueled by denial! Never in my life have I observed so many people completely devoid of reality!
and it is impossible to have a rational calm discussion.
BC "before covid" I could share my views and explain the scientific process that led me there. My sister in law called me a stupid f-ing b- two years ago.
I was shocked but not terribly because she in particular is quite very stupid. So there is that
excellent Steve.
My husband just reminded me of the Serenity Prayer (I have been sick this past week and I am the worst sick person: very dramatic and plenty of self pity and moaning)
Today I am feeling somewhat better but not fully enough to go to my dad and entertain him.
Bonhoefer was quite an inspiration. My parents lived in Holland during WW2
Thank you for these helpful thoughts.
My parents lived in Brussels for 15 jaar.
hartelijk dank for the well wishes.